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Sunday, September 26, 2010

Sunday Surkhi--AntiMuslim feelings

There is no doubt that such names as "ground Zero Mosque" are created with Muslim hatred. I was really appalled at the Ad. used by Renee Ellmers for her election  campaign using openly anti-Islam and Muslim hatred wording. Perhaps encouraged from the NY successful campaigner who won "because"? of his stand on anti-Mosque statements.
 It reminded me of the Republican attempts (Not successful) at a similar campaign against Obama during presidential elections when in strategic states a specific DVD was distributed free including NC and of course you all NC people would remember our protest with News and Observer people.
 The fact remains however that the atmosphere of USA is tainted with this "anti-Muslim" color or Islamo-phobia what ever you may call it and all those people who harbor such sentiments either because of 9/11 or any other reasons are coming out in the open and "enjoying" the Free Speech these days and I feel it is going to last for some time.
 We as Muslims, however, should continue our efforts may be with more vigour to educate all peoples about real Islam.

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Thursday, September 16, 2010

An Avowed Atheist awarded for---

 How does an atheist get high honors by degrading religious personality?
 Answer:
 Do something against Islam/Qur'an/Muhammad in the name of 
Freedom of speech
 The most religiously guarded maxim of the West
 But if that happens to be any other religion than Islam the freedom is short-circuited.
 No you cant do that It hurts the feelings of so and so. That is not allowed, the first amendment (USA) does not apply.
 Mr. Westergaard (the Danish Cartoonist)
 Recieved 
1. Sappho Award for "the journalist who combined excellence in work with courage and refusal to compromise"
2. M-100 Media Award, given by Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor for
 "contribution to freedom of expression" 


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Sunday, September 12, 2010

Thats Me, Come back

 Eid Mubarak to all my Muslim readers
 It was a good experience hidden away in the Masjid for 10 days, trying to make contact or trying to keep in touch with my Creator. I realized it is hard to change bad habits but evaluated myself and found lot of negatives.
Will continue working on it
 Most interesting quote I am posting in Urdu , so please get in there to see
 I received it from a friend

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Sunday, August 29, 2010

Sunday Surkhi- Today's word

 My dear Readers
 I am taking your leave from today for the next couple of weeks or so.
 My 're-treat' time. Yes I am planning to re treat myself for freshening up my life. This last 10 days of Ramadhan provides an excellent opportunity for everyone but since I did not 're-tyre' myself (or the vehicle of of my life) when I retired over seven years ago (my my! am I getting to be old and---) now I have to do this bit.
 My "SELF" which is me, my body + soul+ my personality weaved into these, needs to be looked at by ME but with the vision of a sane, a 'saint' and see what can be done to it for "improvement". Well everything we have needs cleaning, does it not?
 See you in sha-Allah (God-willing) in two weeks.


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Friday, August 27, 2010

Jum'ah Journal-

Ali RA said: (to some one who asked for counel
   "Do not be one of those who hope for the hereafter without work and postpone repentance by exaggeration f hope......"
  In this second Ashrah of Ramadan two more quotes from him:
 "Beckon fortune by means of CHARITY"
 "I marvel at one who despairs while still able to seek forgiveness.
 The prophet SAWS designated this second Ashrah for "forgiveness"
 and Allah's forgiveness is VAST.

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Wednesday, August 25, 2010

Changing my Opinion

Last Saturday in my blog I expressed uneasiness for building the "ground Zero Mosque" which is a clear misnomer and this term has been cleverly and purposefully fabricated and should be criticized. 
 I am posting a part of a copy of an article I recieved that needs your attention and the reason why I am back in favor of that Islamic center in Manhatten.
No compromise on religious freedom

By Richard Cohen
Tuesday, August 24, 2010; A15 
When it comes to the mosque that's neither too close to Ground Zero for its proponents nor far enough away for its opponents, the disturbing word "compromise" is now being tossed around. It has been suggested by New York Gov. David Paterson, Archbishop Timothy M. Dolan and, in Sunday's Post, Karen Hughes, once an important adviser to George W. Bush. These are all well-meaning people, but they do not understand that in this case, the difference between compromise and defeat is nonexistent.
This is not a complicated matter. If you believe that an entire religion of upward of a billion followers attacked the United States on Sept. 11, 2001, then it is understandable that locating a mosque near the fallen World Trade Center might be upsetting. But the facts are otherwise. Islam was not in on the attack -- just a sliver of believers. That being the case, those people with legitimate hurt feelings are mistaken. They need our understanding, not our indulgence.
If, on the other hand, you do not believe that the attack was launched by an entire religion, you have a moral duty to support the creation of the Islamic center. Lots of people fall into this category -- or say they do -- and still protest the mosque. They include Newt Gingrich, New York Republican gubernatorial candidate Rick Lazio and that Twittering Twit of the Tundra, Sarah Palin. They indulge in a kind of pornography of analogy -- a bit of demagogic buffoonery that is becoming more and more obvious. They pretend that they have a solemn obligation to defend the (powerful) majority from the demands of the (powerless) minority and champion people whose emotions are based on a misreading of the facts.
Those of us who are of a certain age remember the days when African Americans and their champions were being cautioned to go slow, compromise. They were being told to consider the tender feelings of whites, no matter how ugly their racism, and protect their dewy Scarlett O'Hara way of life. Leading politicians espoused this course, President Eisenhower among them. Wrong was somehow to become a little less so, but right would be painfully postponed. What was compromise? The middle of the bus?
 

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Sunday, August 22, 2010

Sunday Surkhi-Sialkot Killing

It appears I keep getting bad news from Pakistan.
This one is un-imaginable, brutal killing of two youngmen 15 and 17. Crime== They were carrying a bag (Sports, they wanted to play Cricket) in an area where there had been some robbery so they were considered suspects.
 No investigation, somebody accused them and attacked them and a mob of people came out to beat them up, nobody trying to find out why. They died and their bodies are hanged upside down at a crossing. This is the city that boasts of high education and the city of Allama Mohammad Iqbal.
 I do not know what has happened to people, what is going on and why can these things happen while the police officers are looking on almost supervising. The Suppreme court has ordered to take strict action against the police officers who did nothing etc. etc.
 But to me what is strange is that this kind of thing happened. One of the boys was a Hafiz of Qur'an, but even if he was not, how could a mob of normal human beings kill two youngmen. I thought Lynching was only practiced in America against the slaves and negroes.
 As I said before man has reached the lowest of low in Pakistan.
 I believe that the floods are Pakistan's second wake up call, the first was the earthquake of 2005.
 Like some other columnist I wonder what kind of wake-up call awaits Pakistan in 2115 (may Allah forbid) 


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Sunday, August 15, 2010

Sunday Surkhi-More floods, more deaths

 There is no doubt that all the superlatives are being used to describe this disaster in Pakistan.
 What I fail to understand that people in Karachi still find it necessary to "avenge" their "leader's" death and go on a spree  burning vehicles and killing innocent people.and terrorize the city as it seems to have become a past time for these murderers.
 I know the news is old but I just saw some pictures of floods as well as the results of these murderers.
 Are they Muslim?

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Saturday, August 14, 2010

Yawm Azadi Pakistan

  Do not know what to write and how to say on this day the 63rd birthday of  Pakistan. Having seen those heart-rending pictures and videos of the poor people of Pakistan. 6 million displaced and number of deaths keeps increasing and likely to do so for some coming time.
 Yet the bullets and bombs continue. I have said these are just happenings but how else are the "azdab" of God has affected people?

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Friday, August 13, 2010

Jum'ah Journal--Hot weather Ramzan

 Summer getting more hot days, reminds me of my younger dyas fasting July-August fasts without AC and no refrigerator  temp. over 110 F, we would welcome any clouds any time and rains would be so much relief but this years rains have  over done it., reminding us that God is Qadeer on all things and he has everything in appropriate proportion, a slight increase in that proportion cretaes heavoc (Floods of today in Pakistan are a terse reminder) کلّ شی ء عندہ بمقدار from S, #13, Verse 8. (Everything with Him has a proportion")
 This "miqdar"  can be a good news when it satisfies the parched earth and  dampening of the heat of sun even if temporary. But if God llets this 'miqdar to increase the opposite happens.
 Anyway I was talking about mild cooling effect of rain was so welcome for the young (myself) fasting and going for Taraweeh. It was hard and so when I see this hot weather of Ramzan I thank God that now I have everything to keep me safe from the  heat and sweat. I was in the village with no electricity, so I had to find the help of "hand fan". Would go to spend time between Zuhr and Asr near a well with water running and sit down under the shade of a tree watching the oxen pair going round and round running the water extracting system and cool clear water flowing into the fields
 That was  'fast' of hot weather (49-50).


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Wednesday, August 11, 2010

Ramadhan Mubarak to all Muslims

 Yes, today is the first of this holy month, the blessed month, the month of Muslim celebration especially in America and more so in New York.
 I know the media hype, the varied opinions of all sometimes confusing, some times annoying but the fact is Muslims are now a recognized Minority in the USA including 'Official' recognition (by the US government), no less than the recognition of Christmas or Hanuka or other religion's'celebrarions'.
 Why NY?
 There are reportedly no less than 800K Muslims in NY and there is a claim of 100 mosques/Islamic centers in NY. The fuss is about hurting the feelings of people affected by 0/11 by building another mosque which happens to be a couple blocks from Ground Zero.
 What? hurting the feelings of Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus etc. by building a mosque near Ground Zero.
 The question is were the perpetrators of 9/11 really Muslims? May be by name but ask a real scholar of Islam. He will give you quotes of Qur'an and Hadeeth that Muslims are prohibited from killing any person who is not fighting and clearly all the Muslims, Christians, Jews and Hindus in the twin towers, were NOT fighting,
 Well, it is kind of getting too repetitive and old to talk about it. Even if they were Muslims what does that mean if the other American Muslims wish to build a mosque  at that location. How far from the GZ will not hurt the feelings of all those Muslim, Jewish Christian and such families?  TV personalities come up with remarkable hatred of Muslims and Islam.
 I heard a Journalist discussing about the Mosque near ground zero and persistently questioning an "imam"
 "Do you support Hamas?" That is a party that won the elections and is a legitimate party of Palestine even though US Government  (and Israel etc) have declared it to be "Terrorist Organization".
 To me it is ridiculous to connect Israeli-Palestinian connection when discussing about building a mosque in NY or anywhere.
 What should then happen to the other 100 or so mosques in NY and thousands of others all over USA. We here in Raleigh are building mosques. Should we stop then?
 The above is just one side of the argument. In my own opinion  USA has consistently shown less prejudicial attitude than by any other country in the world. Just see how the Mayor of NY spoke out which is so supportive of my opinion and then  I remember (Journalist) Brown's statement (in support of his presidency) on TV when talking about Obama and his winning campaign before elections. "Even if he is a Muslim, so what? he is the best candidate to be President of this country" (or something like that).
Yes I agree there are still people who do not consider Obama to be legitimate president inspite of his solid  Christian backgound with regular church history and seeing his birth certificate in Hawaii, but that is just ignorance of people.
 The people talking against building a mosque in NY are not necessarily ignorant and persons like Foxman, the head of ADL has been duely criticised for the opposing statement to be nothing but bigotry.



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Sunday, August 08, 2010

Sunday Surkhi-Murder of Aid workers in Afghanistan

  Whoever is responsible for their death deserves all contempt and condemnation from all Muslims.
How could anybody even think of such a heinous act. It does not matter whether they were Muslims or Non-Muslim. Killing them is simply inhuman and prohibited in Islam
 Everybody is telling things like that and my statement is no exception, but what bothers me is how does such a thing happen in Islamic world? Why are Muslims so ignorant and when are they going to learn the teachings of Islam/ Who is going to teach? Surely they are not expecting Rasoolullah SAWS to come back to teach, he has left his legacy of teachings on everything.
 I am angry and sad indeed.

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Saturday, August 07, 2010

Parent Trap--Lindsay Lohan

 I had seen the original 1961 movie  (Parent Trap) also when I saw Lindsay's twin-sisters playing in the 1998 remake and no doubt  She stands out clearly a winner. The film is a light-hearted comedy
 1961 film had used Brian Keith (One of my Fav. actors) and Maureen O'Hara as parents and the girl playing the twins (cannot remember the name) did a lot to amuse me. Lindsay has turned out to be beautiful girl and much spoiled with drugs and now has been placed in Jail (rightly so by the Judge) That may improve her so she can get back her career, otherwise, she would be doomed as an actress or singer.  That jailing may be a blessing in disguise if she can turn her life 180 degrees. Somebody should tell her. (This at the time of current writing)
Drugs, so often determine the fate of these artists.
 Anyway, Lindsay film has these twins meeting at the camp and what connects me with this more is their birthday
 Yes folks
 That is my birthday too.

April 2021 I just watched her being interviewed by British journalist. Reason Is Lindsay on the point of turning Muslim?
 They sounded scared but Her responses were reassuring. I had noted on some previous interview that she had quit drugs, was not pursuing a singing career and has become rich with business options. Today I was impressed with her intelligence and her love for studying Quran in addition to other religious books but she said Quran gives her strange satisfaction and spiritual uplift. Her sister is Buddhist
 She is on the right track after all but becoming a Muslim depends on Allah SWT

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Friday, August 06, 2010

Jum'ah Journal--Secularism

The bignews at present is the floods and having talked to our people in Pakistan the torrential rains have never been so ugly and the floods have continued to rise. The distances between rivers have decreased to almost completely disappearing. May Allah have mercy, please pray for the country but here is my take on secularism (Borowed from a book)
If Pakistan really becomes completely secular, almost like Turkey (Like Musharraf was thinking to change) some youngman has given a detail what would happen (Abidullah Jan)
1. All Loudspeakers for Azan will be removed (Actually I would support that to some extent because the Jum'ah Khutbahs also go on the loud speakers which broadcast them to the whole mohallah and not just the namazis or masjid area)
 2. Entire Educational material will change so that no references to Allah or Islam will remain
3. All those who pray in public places or go for Hajj will be declared fundamentalists and barred from Army service or other Governmental offices.
4. Women will be forced to remove hijabs/burqa if they go for a job or work
5. All Islamic/Muslim schools/colleges or Madrisas will be closed down
6.  All political parties using Islam in their agenda will be banned
7. All public symbols of Islamic type will be  banned
8. Constitution will be changed to reflect people's sovereignty instead of that of Allah and all shariah laws will be changed. Also meaning that divorce and amrriage laws will not be Islamic
  Divine Moral authority will be replaced by the moral authority of Human Reason.
  These rules, of course will be applicable in any Muslim country that supports secularism and abhors Islamic or religious superiority. May Allah guide our leaders in Pakistan to see the light and also the leaders in Turkey or other Muslim countries

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Sunday, August 01, 2010

Sunday Surkhi- Tragedy after tragedy

 The floods affecting north west Pakistan, somewhat unusual. It is just human tragedy after tragedy. Poor people usually suffer more. How many homes are lost, how many lives are lost and how many things are lost. We will not know but those who we find in need of help MUST be helped.
 I overheard some discussions of the type that
"This is happening because of wrong doings of some type of Muslims and is a result of that allah sending azab, jst like that was the thinking with the deadly earthquake of Pakistan in the north.
 Well maybe it is true but does that mean we watch people drown in floods children and women, with and without burqas or hijabs and men, with or without beards. Is that what we are taught in Islam? Should we not look at our own selves first before being critical of others?
 NO my gentle readers, we only see sufferings of humans and jump to help in anyway we can.

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Sunday, July 25, 2010

Sunday Surkhi--Mangoes diplomacy for Pakistan

 Yes, Pakistani Mangoes are in the news folks.
Praised as delicious by no less than Mrs.Hilary Clinton, the foreign secretary of USA and she recommended these mangoes be started and introduced to the Americans, yes.
Of course there is that old competition with Indian mangoes cannot be overstated but like us, when you have tasted the juicy-pulpy sweet and super sweet mangoes from Pakistan, the competition gets reduced to which one from Pakistan. All the famous names of Tota paree, Dusehri and such disintegrate into oblivion
 I cant wait for Pakistani mangoes to appear in the grocery stores of America. Watch carefully in Food Lion Pigly Wigly, etc etc.
Man! you dont know what you are missing
Thanks Mrs Clinton, we appreciate your gesture and may be you will get the supply soon for Chelsae's 2 Million Dollar wedding, That would be most appropriate gift for your daughter on this auspicious occasion. The guests will remember for the rest of their lives the taste of Pakistani mangoes, the fruit for the regalia and royals. Chacha Ghalib rightly gave this variety of fruits  the regal position
"The king of the fruits" is the only fit fruit for the kings.


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Sunday, July 18, 2010

Sunday Surkhi--'d'awa' of IAR vs others'

 Islamic Association of Raleigh has a D'awa commmittee
 First what is this d'awa. Urdu speaking people know it as D'awat, meaning invitation (because they pronounce the T of this type of "Ta" that Arabic speaking make the T as silent when ending the word and would pronounce it only when it connects with another word like in"d'awat-ul-Islam")
 In Urdu d'awa is pronounced when it means very different because it  ends in Ya instead of Ta the difference in shapes is given here  دعوۃ  - دعوےا
 I am taking note of the experiences of the persons who are conducting the 'booth for Islam'. Very good results so far, mashaallah they were well prepared for all kinds of visitors and they are learning. The best thing I read, (and knew) was--THEY WERE THERE.
 You dont have to say anything in favor of Islam. just be there.
 ONLY answer questions if asked, and yes the commonest thing ( we all watch on TV) is "salvation", because  that is all their interest is. Every Christian is assured of salvation whereas the Muslim is never assured of salvation or anything.
  Today (7/19/10) a woman came to my door, I answered the door bell. She was African American plumpish lighter color and smiling. I was handed over a piece of paper with the caption
"Draw closer to God"
 I thanked her. Later I read the paper that was an invitation to attend Jehova's Witness's programs to be held at RBC center next month. This is not the first time I found Jehova's witness going door to door.
I remember my patient who liked me very much so he talked about Jesus  PBUH and salvation and God with trinity but could not convince me (I refrained from introducing anything more than Tawheed)
 In the end he said he will pray for me, so I thanked him.

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Friday, July 16, 2010

Jum'ah Journal

 A "mosque study" is proposed which will be useful to define further activities as well as give the present leadership in the masajid of USA a guiding plan to conduct their affairs. This is really unique and correctly described as "unprecedented".
 A committee representing a broad range of community professional and academic institutions to oversee such "mosque Study" has started activities this month to last till September 2010. It should be very interesting.
 "The Mosque Study will provide useful information and insights for community leaders and organizations as well as the academic community to assist them in both scholarly research as well as community development," states ISNA Secretary General Safaa Zarzour.

Information included in the U.S. Mosque Study 2010 will be collected from online surveys and phone or in-person interviews.  The survey will be available online and will address a range of issues, including: quality of mosque programs, mission and identity of the mosque, diversity and needs of mosque participants, leadership and organizational dynamics and history of the organization.

A random sample of mosque leaders from around the country will be selected to participate in interviews to discover the perceptions of Muslim religious leaders on a variety of substantive issues, including: Muslim involvement in American civic life, involvement of women and young adults in mosques, concerns about radicalization in the community and evaluations of mosque staffing.

Zarzour states, "This collaboration of academic, professional, and community institutions is unprecedented and reflects the desire of all sponsors to produce credible, valid, useful results from this study for the benefit of everyone."
 So watch out dear leaders.


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Sunday, July 11, 2010

Sunday Surkhi--Real killer Doc

  I had not heard this story before that I heard today and it was more than shocking.
 In Manchester, England a doctor was arrested 1998 for changing the will of an old lady who died under his 'care'
"I leave everything to Dr. Shipman who was kind and caring for me during all my illness"
The Jury found him guilty of act of fraud and he was sentenced to some time for punishment but death was not considered murder. Many people had suspicions he was killing and a new investigation was launched but before he was arrested again he had killed three more.
Investigations revealed he had taken more than 200 lives amlost all old women and old men, but there was one 4 yr. old child also.
  His mother died of cancer at the time he was teenager and probably he developed a "revenge" that carried out on his patients and may be he adopted medicalo carrier for that perpose. he was well-liked by patients and colleagues and his wife with 4 children
 Then you see lot of investigation of his colleagues their opinions and statements how they failed to suspect as he was so well-educated and clever in carrying our his killings. This is reported to be the worst of the serial killers who ever lived.
 Shocking as it is to listen to the details, you cannot help wondering how a killer can hide himself under so much of "ordinary life" that no partners, no spouse or children could suspect. Even in the prison he spent 4 years being a popular 'Doc" making happy all the inmates before he took one more life - his own, hanged himself in the prison one day. Doctor Harold Shipman, amazing story but true. He surpasses Kevorkian.
 He was  really "evil". That brings me to the "non-evil" caring doctors who kill or assist in killing their patients in most countries (where it is "allowed") with permission of the patient and families and in one country even without the permission. Under such circumstances when an old man of 80 or do goes to his doctor for treatment of his chest pain and cough, he may not know whether his doctor is going to treat his bronchitis or he is likely to be "shipped" to the other world by the kind and "non-evil" doctor.
 What kind of ethics?

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Friday, July 09, 2010

Jum'ah Journal-"Unwholesome food"

 My old blog excerpt here (copied for you)

Monday, September 24, 2007


Step-by-step prohibition

Chapter 16, Verse 67 (Al-Qur'an)
"And from the fruits of datepalm and the vine, ye get out STRONG DRINK and WHOLESOME FOOD; behold in this there is a sign for those who are wise."
Ch. II, Verse 219,
"They ask thee concerning wine and gambling, say, "in them there is sin and some profit but the sin is greater than profit"
Ch.IV, Verse 43
"O ye who believe, approach not prayers in a state of intoxication, until ye understand what ye say......"
Ch. V, Verse 90:                                                                          -----------------------------------
"O ye who believe, intoxicants and gambling, sacrificing to stones and divination by arrows are an abomination of Satan's handiwork, eschew such abomination that ye may prosper."
  
I have highlighted the part I wish to talk about. Just bear with me, as I have a lot to tell
First I want to tell you my own experience with Alcohol as a child (Oh! not drinking). I was in my village where some people used to come for shopping and FUN. There was a room, not far from our home where they would get together for cards and GAMBLING. Many Hindus (for they had more money) and some Muslims (only some who had money) would play for money and fun. That may be followed by DRINKING, which was seen as uncommon in Muslims. Because of their 'garrulousness' and misbehavior, I was frightened of them. Indeed one time there was altercation leading up to physical assaulting with axe and one fellow had a thumb almost cut off. (Our village had a dispensary also where there was a Sikh Doctor). Some more accidental confrontation with another "drunk" made me more frightened.
  So, when I was in college and heard some 'advanced' students 'drinking' I was surprised. I had indeed grown up considering drinking not only prohibition but also 'abominable' as it would cause a grown man to behave silly, childish and unbecoming. The persons with such behavior did not have good reputation.
When I came to the West you can guess my surprise when I saw in parties doctors including consultants (England) behaving funny and childish etc. and it was quite acceptable in the society, because these 'persons' would be back in their serious roles without even with some hinting at the "unbecoming' behavior of theirs.
 I could then understand the meanings of this part of the verse, "UNTIL YE UNDERSTAND WHAT YE SAY". Anyway I want to throw some more light on this. I know that the physicians are familiar with the effects of alcohol on the human mind as we learnt in our pharmacology classes-- the first effect (mild) would be "dizzy and delightful feeling" and then confusion will begin etc. etc. But what the first effects do; are that natural inhibitions are relaxed, what the man has learnt to control gets erased and the results are--that kind of behavior. (Many youngmen try to get he young women they are 'dating' for their sexual advances and such behavior of 'taking advantage' of the drunk girls is considered somewhat acceptable/OK or usual). What our old friend Baba Ghalib was saying:
ہم سے کھل جاءو بوقت مے پرستی ایک دن
ورنہ ہم چھیڑیں گے رکھ کے عذر مستی ایک دن
(You can see the whole poem on my Urdu blog)
 Ghalib is telling his "girl friend that--open up with me when I am drinking otherwise , I will"tease you" someday under the pretense of being drunk"
 
 Anyway, let me continue on that subject. Wake County Physician's Magazine (July ,10) gives some "news" about HOPS BEER (may be more popular in Australia?) Some scientific observations (In Canada) are noted in a research' report of Uri A. Girly, Ph D that there is significant (and perhaps 'harmful') amount of "Phyto-estrogens" in the hops beer. Let me write down the summery of observations after drinking 6-8 schooners in one hour.
 Anyway what Dr Girly (Concentrate on the name first) is saying about  phystoestrogens('fighto-estrogens")
 is that persons taking large amounts of this beer:
1. Argued over nothing
2.Refused to apologize when obviously wrong
3.Talked excessively
4. Became overly emotional
6.Could not drive
7. Failed to think rationally
8 Had to sit down while urinating (again concentrate on the 'girly' and fighto-estrogens)
    Of course nothing new for the physicians (except for the sitting down position for micturition) but for your amusement I have made my own 'additions'.  (Have I digressed from the aya quoted above too much?.)
 Well, the doctor with the name Girly has cautioned the men drinking such beer about the possible 'feminizing effects'. (Please do not get alarmed, but these phyto (from plant) estrogens can act like and/or fight the effects of body estrogens because of their close similarity with the chemical structure of estrogens. These are seen in many leguminous plants and are present in soy beans too, so it may be better for males-especially male children- to avoid 'vegetable protein' processed foods)

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